Things didn’t quite go as planned on Tucker Carlson Tonight Tuesday when a former New York City deputy sheriff and corrections officer, Ed Gavin, joined the show to talk about the guilty verdict in former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin’s trial for the murder of George Floyd last summer.
Carlson, who on Monday said the media was “lynching” Chauvin, opened the show Tuesday night by claiming the jury only voted to convict because they were scared. He also questioned if we can “trust the way this decision was made.” Gavin, on the other hand, praised the verdict, which led to a more confrontational interview than either had likely anticipated.
“That was clearly an excessive, unjustified use of force. I think the verdict was just,” Gavin said. “I think we had documentary evidence, we had testimonial evidence, and it was an open and shut case. But moving forward, what we need to do, in my opinion, is we need to have…” “How about enforce the law? Do we need to do that?” Carlson interrupted before proceeding to trash the police. “Let's say people are going through the windows of Macy's and the cops are just standing there. Do they resign because obviously their honor is being violated, but they are not doing anything about it, when do they start doing something about protecting everyone else, not just George Floyd?”
'What we saw in that video was pure savagery'
Carlson has spent months casting doubt on how exactly Floyd died, but very early in the interview, Gavin left no doubt.
“Let’s face it, what we saw in that video was pure savagery,” Gavin said. “I mean, the documentary evidence showed the police officer putting his knee on the perpetrator’s neck while he was rear-cuffed and his stomach was on the ground, causing asphyxia.”
So when Gavin attempted to continue to share his thoughts on the matter, Carlson cut him off and put an abrupt end to the interview.
“Like I said, Mr. Floyd was brought under control,” Gavin said. “What should have happened at that point, is EMS should have been summoned, and he should have been placed in an ambulance, and a supervisor should have been called to the scene. I just think that it was excessive…” “Yeah, well, the guy who did it looks like he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison, so I'm kind of more worried about the rest of the country, which, thanks to police inaction, in case you haven't noticed, is, like, boarded up. So that’s more my concern,” Carlson said, interrupting for a second time as Gavin repeatedly tried to finish his thought. “Thanks for coming on. Ed Gavin, thank you,” Carlson said as the camera cut away from Gavin.. “Nope. Done.”
Tucker Carlson Tonight airs weeknights at 8 p.m. on Fox News Channel.
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